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Welcome to a new episode from English plus podcast. Today’s episode is going to be about discussions and we will discuss something that is important to all of us. We will talk about jobs. We will talk about what is work in general with jobs are the easiest, the most difficult, et cetera. We will talk a little about dirty jobs and we will talk about honesty at work.
[00:00:29] So without further ado, let’s start talking about the very first thing we want to focus on today. And that is what is work now, Ben and I are going to discuss things together. Please consider yourself with us and try to discuss things. Try to boss the episode, answer the questions on your own. Try to kind of interact with us.
[00:00:49] And if you would like to interact with us on our website or on our social media, of course, you’re more than welcome to discuss the subjects we’re talking about in the discussions episode. So, Ben, let’s start with the very first question. What is work? If you want to think about it apart from school or your job, what else do you consider to be work?
[00:01:08] Well, if you think about it every day around you is work. The only time when you’re not working is the time when you’re not doing anything, when you’re just sitting back relaxing or doing something, or of course just doing something that has no real purpose except for your own entertainment. So would you even call hobbies work?
[00:01:31] No, no, not exactly, uh, hobbies. If you’re just doing them for entertainment, of course, they’re just entertainment. That’s not work. But if you think about the things that you do on the side, maybe they’re not that serious, but that might lead you somewhere. These might be things you’re dreaming of and you want to achieve in your life.
[00:01:48] So why not? If you get the chance to turn these into real work. Or real jobs. I mean, the idea of a job is kind of standard or conventional. Everybody thinks about work. It’s this thing you have to do to get money. And it is right. Of course, this is the thing you have to do to get money, but it doesn’t have to be this kind of love, hate relationship.
[00:02:07] You either love your work or you hate your work when your work is part of your life. So you can’t hate parts of your life and love other parts. I mean, it’s your life. You’re married to it for better or for worse. Yeah, maybe you’re right. You know, sometimes it’s not just the job that we do, that we get money from.
[00:02:24] Maybe some other things we do on the side can be considered work as well. Even if, sometimes we do these things for entertainment. I mean, some people like to build stuff, so that can be work. Of course. And here we’re not talking about the dictionary definition. Of course. We’re just talking about the concept.
[00:02:41] What is the concept of work or jobs in the minds of people? Now, I’m going to give you a couple of, I’m not going to call them jobs unless you think there are jobs. Do you really think that a housewife is a job? I, no, it’s not exactly per se a job, of course, because you don’t usually get paid to be a housewife, but it is a very important job that you have to do.
[00:03:04] I mean, if you think about the pressure that comes with being a housewife, that most of us don’t even face at work, don’t even face half of this pressure at work. So it’s difficult, but at the same time, He will, let me talk about something, because some people are going to be a little bit sensitive about, you know, just being a housewife.
[00:03:22] And this is a kind of an old idea that, you know, just the woman has to stay. Nobody has to stay at home, but sometimes it’s the decision of one spouse, whether that is the woman or the man to stay at home and while the other one work and earn money for the family. And it’s always about, you know, just when you do this, because.
[00:03:42] You really want to do this. And do you think that it’s the best thing for your family? So it’s definitely more important than a real job. Maybe it’s not a real job in the sense that you get paid to be a housewife, but it is more important than a job. Okay. So what about the moderate. Well, I don’t think that’s a job at all.
[00:04:01] You know, just say, just because you were born into a family, doesn’t mean that you have the right to rule and you have the right to be superior to other people should get past those ideas, you know, just the blood line and the birthright. And I was chosen by God. I mean, all of these ideas are kind of antiquated, but yeah, some people around the world, they still believe in them.
[00:04:24] That is called tradition. And, and we may have to respect the traditions of some countries, but if you want to think about a Monarch as a job, you have to do a good job. The job of a Monarch is a big responsibility, especially if you hold the absolute power. I mean, in some countries, yes, we have monarchy, but they don’t really have any kind of power except for ceremonies and other things.
[00:04:45] And the real power is usually with the government. But in some places, no, the Monarch is the absolute ruler. And here it is a very important job because you have the responsibility of all these people. It’s just like being a president. It’s not that different. I mean, in the 21st century, we can not just, uh, rule people any way we like, and we say that it’s my birthright and God chose me or whatever you want to say.
[00:05:09] You have to be a good ruler. You have to be a good leader. Yeah. Maybe some people prefer democracy, prefer a Republic. But I wouldn’t have a problem with adjust a good Monarch. If this person is good leader, a good ruler, a fair person, not a dictator or anything, you know, sometimes we elect people and they just turn out to be the, so enough about what is work and what is a job.
[00:05:32] Let’s talk about. Let’s compare actually between jobs. If you want to think about these four jobs, which do you consider the easiest babysitter? A dentist, a footballer or a teacher? Well, I think probably the babysitter. I mean, I know there’s a responsibility obviously of looking after somebody else’s baby, but I think overall probably you you’d like children anyway, if you want to be a babysitter, so you would actually enjoy doing the job right.
[00:06:01] And it wouldn’t be really hard when you enjoyed the job that can go for any other job as well. I mean, any job is very easy if you love it, or if you like it, but if you don’t like the job, no matter what kind of job we’re talking about, it’s going to be very difficult. And every aspect of the job, or every detail in the job is going to be very difficult for you to achieve or to do.
[00:06:22] But, you know, if I had to choose between these four babysitter, dentists, footballer, or teacher, I would say the easiest would be the babysitter. Oh, let me ask you a question. What about the most boring job out of car park attendant and assembly line worker, a shepherd or a window cleaner? What do you think is the most boring job?
[00:06:42] I think the most boring job would have to be an assembly line worker because you’re looking and doing, I mean, you’re looking at the same things over and over day after day, doing the same task over and over day after day. And your day is broken up into periods that are always the same, same time for break for lunch, et cetera.
[00:07:03] Definitely. That would be for me, at least the most boring job. I mean, I’m not saying the others are more exciting than this one, but at least not as boring as an assembly line worker. So that is about the most boring job. What do you think is the most tiring out of these jobs? A doctor, a farmer, a minor, or a top model?
[00:07:23] Well, I would say a top model. I’m just getting, I’m not saying of course that their job is not tiring. No, but you know, being in the spotlight, I know sometimes they have to spend a lot of time in photo shoots and stuff. I wouldn’t say that. I know that firsthand because I don’t obviously. If you look at me, you will definitely know that I can never be a top model, but I would say that people who choose to be top models kind of enjoy this kind of thing.
[00:07:49] Um, they enjoy the attention. The being in the spotlight, having these photo-shoots long photo shoots, they have to one. Maybe they kind of enjoy it, right? So I wouldn’t say it’s tiring for them, even it can be, of course any job can be tiring, especially if you’re very good at it. And if you are really wanted, you know, everybody wants you, not other people, but I think about it even, this is a difficult question to answer.
[00:08:12] I would say that they’re all tiring, but in different ways, of course, but I think probably being a doctor, because it seems that really your time is never your own. If you’re in a general practice. And even if you work in hospital, that’s even worse. I mean, they work terrible hours in hospital, so that’s definitely the most tiring job.
[00:08:29] I will ask you this question. What do you think is the most useful job? A journalist, a market researcher, a nurse, or a postman or woman? Well, of course, all jobs are very useful and we have those kinds of answers that, yeah, all are good. But I guess a nurse is the most important job of all a journalist. I will have to say I’m kind of in-between between a journalist and a nurse, but to be honest, you know, with the level of journalism that we have these days and.
[00:08:59] With all those false things. And you know, when they, especially when they’re not all of them, of course, some of them are very honorable, but you know, when they start lying and then, you know, they start attacking each other in a very unprofessional way. I would definitely say a nurse. It’s still a very respectful job.
[00:09:14] It’s still a very necessary job. A society may be able to live without journalists may be. I’m not saying it’s a good idea. Of course, we need people to dig in and search for the truth. But we can never live without nurses. And this is actually maybe the most useful job. And for all people who’ve been to hospitals before, you must know what I mean.
[00:09:33] I mean, the nurse is even more important than a doctor because the doctor’s there for a couple of minutes. And it’s very important that you are seen by a doctor and the doctor tells you what’s wrong with you or how you’re getting better or not. But the person who takes care of you 24 seven is the nurse.
[00:09:51] And when you have a good nurse, whether it’s a male nurse or a female nurse, I mean, your stay at the hospital gets a lot easier. Even when you are in pain, even when you are in the worst situation possible, you’re weak, you’re fragile. This person is the real person that can comfort you and that can make your stay or make this phase of your life a lot easier.
[00:10:13] So I would say definitely. The most useful job is the nurse, especially now with a Corona virus and all this craziness. Of course it is the most useful job ever. But in general, I mean, apart from Corona virus and this COVID crisis, I would say definitely a nurse. Anytime, if you would ask me this question, a nurse is the most useful job.
[00:10:35] So my question to you, and that is the worst. Let’s talk about the worst job. And we’re not saying that the worst job that these are bad jobs or whatever, but the worst job to do, which do you think is the worst job, a grave Digger, a prison warden, a soldier, or a toilet cleaner. Wow. That’s difficult. I mean the worst job, it depends again, if you like the job, if you don’t like it, whatever.
[00:10:58] I mean, some people, for some reasons that are kind of beyond me, they like to be presented wardens. I don’t know why, but they have their reasons. I would never even think about it, but some people just enjoy it. It may be they enjoy the power or something, but that’s definitely not the worst. I mean, the worst is I guess, a soldier being a soldier of our two main reasons.
[00:11:18] First of all, of course, if you’re a soldier, you might. Ended up having to kill someone and that’s a terrible, terrible thing to do. Yeah. I understand that you’re killing someone for the right reason, but you’re still killing someone and this is going to haunt you. I mean, we can see that soldiers, when they come back from Wars, they are haunted by all the ghosts, not ghosts, but by all these memories of those people whom they killed, even the bad ones.
[00:11:42] There’s still people, right? It’s not easy to kill people. Do you might end up having to kill people? It’s not always standing guard and stuff like that. No, you have to kill people sometimes. And you know, just to think about it in a different way. And that’s just like a little bit away from the drama. A soldier is the worst because a soldier needs to be a grave Digger at times, a prison warden at times, and a toilet cleaner.
[00:12:04] So, you know, being a soldier is like doing everything else. So it’s definitely the worst job ever. And of course it’s very dangerous. That’s why, but all our love and respect goes to those soldiers who do their job and they sacrifice their lives sometimes. To protect other innocent people or other civilians.
[00:12:23] So I’m definitely not belittling them at all. All right. So that was the second topic we want to talk about in this episode and in our discussion, let me remind you that this is a discussions episode from English plus podcasts. So you might think to yourself, how can I use this, but I know it’s difficult to think about it this way, but you can consider this episode to be interactive.
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[00:14:13] Now, the question is, which of these organizations would you work for if you had little or no alternative? So I will start with them one by one. And Ben, you will tell me if you would consider working for any one of these companies, if you really had no alternative. What about a pharmaceutical company, which tests its beauty products on animals?
[00:14:34] Would you work for them? If you had to. Well, I will have to be honest with you. I might work for them even if I don’t have to. I’m not saying that I don’t care if they test their products on animals, but since it’s legal, I guess there’s not much that I can change. I know that a lot of people are not going to like my answer, but to be honest, yeah.
[00:14:54] I don’t think I have a problem with that. I would work for them if I had to, even if I don’t have to. That’s honest. Thank you. Very honesty. What about a multinational? Which trades where the governments of politically oppressed people? I would love to say no for this question, but it’s kind of impossible.
[00:15:11] I mean, we have international companies that work with all countries all around the world. And if you really want to search for companies that never do business with those countries where people are oppressed, you might not find any company. So let’s be real. I mean, I’m definitely not a fan of countries where people are oppressed, but what can you do?
[00:15:31] I mean, especially with you we’re remember, we’re talking, we’re not in a place of power. We don’t have political power, or we can now put pressure on any of these rulers who are oppressing their own people. We can do nothing about it. So when it comes to working for companies that do business with these rulers or these countries, we can’t help it.
[00:15:49] I mean, there are a lot of countries around the world where people are oppressed. And companies have to do business with everybody. So it’s kind of difficult to say no to that. I would love to say no, but to be honest, no, I would work for a multinational, which trades with the governments of politically oppressed people.
[00:16:06] All right. So you don’t say no too much, right? Let me just, I’m trying to be realistic here. That’s all. Okay. Okay. I’m just kidding. What about an arms producer or a company whose products can be used for military purposes? Well, that’s a tough question, but I mean, if you think about military, I would love again to say no to that, but if you think about it, it’s not just about the arms, the arms are necessary, but it depends.
[00:16:34] Oh, you’re selling your arms too. And here we can go into some theories or conspiracy theories and talk about, you know, just like those companies who are ruling the world or whatever, but after all, you know, yeah. Maybe they’re selling arms, but even those who sell vehicles, you know, two people and these vehicles are used by rebel somewhere and they Mount arms on them and they use them.
[00:16:57] So what do you think about automobiles? You know, just like they even use those for car bombs. We’re not saying that this is okay. It’s definitely not. Okay. I’m definitely not with the idea of creating more weapons. We don’t need more weapons. We need more peace around the world, but we have to be realistic.
[00:17:14] Right? I mean, if the company produces products that can be used for military purposes, I mean, a lot of things can be used for military purposes. We’re talking about computers, you’re talking about programs. You’re talking about not only weapons, a lot of things. That’ll be very difficult. I mean, if you say no to all of these things, you would not do anything.
[00:17:31] It’s very difficult because these are the things that drive the money and do you, and that’s why you see most of the progress comes from things that can be used by the military or for military purposes. So, as I said, you don’t say no too much, right? Just honest. Okay. So what about this one? Let’s see if you’re going to say no to this one, a fast food chain that opens restaurants in beautiful squares in the old quarters of towns.
[00:17:58] I mean, um, yeah, I would, I would say no to that. No, but I’d be lying, man. Oh, wow. Why would I say no to that? I mean, yeah. I hate seeing those squares, you know, be filled with those new restaurants or new, you know, just, uh, fast food chains and stuff. I would love to see them in their original glamour and beauty, but it’s business people sell it.
[00:18:22] It’s not my land. The government has to do something, you know, they should ban the sale of some shops or, or even, uh, lands there and just to preserve the beauty of the place. But I can’t do anything about it. So no, I would, I would say no, but not really. No, no, I would, I would work for fast food, but I wouldn’t work for a fast food chain because I hate working for fast food chains.
[00:18:45] Not because of this reason. All right. What about a nuclear power station? Why would I say no to that? I mean, it’s clean energy, especially if it is not being used for creating new, clearer weapons or stuff. If it is just being used for creating clean nuclear energy, why not? I mean, that’s better than the other types of power stations.
[00:19:05] It doesn’t pollute the air. It’s better now. I would definitely say yes to that. I would love to work in a nuclear power station. Okay. Yes. Ma’am you say yes to everything you’ve said yes. To all of the jobs I told you about, but not all of them are really dirty. No. Okay. I understand. But what about a tobacco company?
[00:19:23] Would you work in a tobacco company? Okay. I mean, to be idealistic, I would have to say definitely no, because tobacco company is kind of killing the people it’s bad, but to be honest, I kind of smoked. So it would be kind of hypocritical to say that I wouldn’t work for tobacco companies because they’re ruining.
[00:19:44] I I understand I’m saying smoking is bad. I’m not saying smoking is good. Even if I do smoke, I know that smoking is better and I hope that I can quit smoking someday. And the sooner the better, but answering your question. I can’t say no to that. I can’t say no, I wouldn’t work for them because they produce cigarettes.
[00:20:00] I consume cigarettes. So I can say that I’m morally against that. I can be morally against that when I quit smoking. I hope you quit smoking soon. So I would say that you wouldn’t even consider any of these jobs, dirty jobs. No, no, it’s not about being dirty job. They’re not dirty jobs. What you do in the job can be dirty.
[00:20:19] Even if you work for a company that takes care of children with cancer. I mean, if you are dirty inside, you can be dirty in any organization. You are, it is not related to the job. You may be in a place and you may bring your morals and principles and make the place better. Or. Vice versa. You may have bad morals.
[00:20:37] You may be unscrupulous and you go work in a place where all people are very good. And you know, just like the company itself is very good. And you might corrupt it. It comes from us. It doesn’t come from the type of job at least. Okay. So let’s wrap it up for today’s episode and talk about how wrong these things are.
[00:20:56] Let’s talk about the first thing. What about if you canceled information on a computer? In the company you work for and you don’t report that this thing happened. I understand why a person would do that, but that’s definitely wrong because sometimes these problems can be solved if you report them. And the sooner the better, because sometimes they can retrieve some of the information before it’s too late.
[00:21:19] But if you don’t talk about it and you just. So leave it until people realize what you’ve done, especially you, you said that accidentally not on purpose, right? Yeah, sure. It’s accidentally, but the wrong thing is not to report it. Yeah, that’s what I’m talking about. You have to report it. And especially when they’re accidental mistakes, all you have to do is to report them, accept any kind of punishment that comes from your lack of focus or whatever other problem you might be having at the time.
[00:21:48] But definitely don’t be that person who is labeled as a liar and a cheater, you know, That’s really bad. And that sticks, that sticks in the mind of your superiors and the owners of the company. They will never trust you again again, if they don’t fire you in the first place. Yeah, I agree. So what about this one?
[00:22:06] A woman goes to a job interview. She’s two months pregnant, but she doesn’t say anything about that to the employers. That’s kind of tricky because what if she gets the job and she gets pregnant after she gets the job, what difference would it make to be pregnant at the beginning of your employment? Or just shortly after you’re employed, but here, you know what I mean?
[00:22:28] To talk about it from the other side as well, you need to tell them. You need to tell them, especially if that is an important thing, and it is kind of important because you know, at the beginning of your job, you need to work continuously for certain time just to understand how things work. So you can just start working for about six months and you know, then you have to take your maternity leave.
[00:22:47] The wrong thing would be, if you don’t say that on purpose, you know that this is a thing that is expected or they expect to know about this, and then you hide it. That is wrong, but if it is not required, so it’s a normal thing, but yeah, it’s better to be clear from the beginning, you know, just tell them what they need to know.
[00:23:06] Okay. So what about phoning up to say you’re sick when you’re not just to get a day or days off? Well, I would definitely say it’s wrong, but I’ve done it. You’ve done it. Everybody I know has done it once or twice. At least a lot of people do that. And it’s kind of sad because I remember I did it only when I had jobs.
[00:23:26] I didn’t like that much. So it’s not just to cheat the company. I mean, very few people do that just to cheat the company, so to speak. But a lot of people do it just because they hate their jobs or they don’t enjoy their jobs or they’re not motivated. So when you find that people are motivated to do what they do.
[00:23:42] They never do that. And that happens when there is no motivation. So is it wrong? Yeah, sure. But is it understandable? Of course it is understandable. And I wouldn’t say that it is a big mistake. I mean, you know, after all, yes, you lied, but you know, sometimes you’re not sick, but you’re really not in the mood going to the office.
[00:24:02] And if you go to the office, you wouldn’t be doing anything. So you better stay at home. I wouldn’t say that’s too much. It’s a mistake, but it’s not that big of a mistake in my opinion. All right. So what about making personal photocopies on the companies for the copier. Well, this is definitely wrong because these things are meant to be used for work purposes only, and not for personal purposes, unless your company is okay with it.
[00:24:26] I mean, if your company is okay with this thing and they already mentioned it, that if you need to make copies and I kind of doubt that anybody would say that. But if your company is okay with it, then of course it’s not a mistake, but in general, yes, it is a mistake. I mean, you might photocopy a page or two.
[00:24:42] That’s fine. You might not even need to ask permission for that. It’s not that big of a deal, but if you want to photocopy it, yeah. Book hundreds and hundreds of pages. Of course. That’s kind of like stealing from the company, right. So at least you have to get permission to have to ask them if it is okay or not, they might say it’s okay.
[00:24:59] And maybe most of the time, if they like you, they will tell you no problem. Just go ahead and photocopy. And they’re not going to take any money from you, but just tell them, I mean, don’t get caught doing that because it’s really bad. I mean, it’s just like, why would you want to smear your image for something as silly as this?
[00:25:16] I mean, just photocopying something. It’s the big deal, man. Just go pay for that thing and don’t put yourself in that situation. Yeah, I understand what you mean, but anyway, let’s go to our next question. What about lying about your qualifications at a job interview? That is terrible. That’s not just a mistake.
[00:25:34] That’s terrible because that would backfire. That would come back to bite you later, when they start to ask you to do the things you said you were able to do. I mean, what if you said that you could speak a language that you don’t speak, or you could do something that you can’t do, and then they would need somebody who can do this and they ask for you because they know, Oh yeah.
[00:25:52] I remember Danny knew how to do. Then he spoke this language, et cetera. And then it turns out to be that you just lied about this in your job interview. That would be terrible, man. Don’t put yourself in that position ever. Just be honest about your qualifications and if they like you fine, if they don’t like you.
[00:26:08] No problem. There are a lot of companies, there are a lot of other companies who would like the set of qualifications you have. If this company doesn’t like it, there are other companies that would like it. They will appreciate you for what you know, but this will definitely get you into trouble. Okay.
[00:26:22] What about drinking? A lot of alcohol during the work break? I have a problem with drinking alcohol in the workplace. Not a lot. I mean, drinking alcohol during breaks, that’s wrong. I’m even against drinking a lot of alcohol during the weekdays. I mean, you have worked the next day. You don’t want to go there and you’re not totally focused.
[00:26:40] You have an obligation to be focused at all times, but definitely it work breaks. I mean, you just have to go back to work. Definitely not. That’s a big mistake. That’s wrong. That’s a definite no. Okay. What about stealing office supplies then pens and paper. Oh, what did he expect me to say? Yeah. It’s okay.
[00:26:58] No problem. I just talked about the photocopying that, you know, just, if you want photocopy more than a page or do you should ask for permission and what do you expect me to say that this is okay. No, of course this is a big deal. This is wrong. This is stealing. It doesn’t matter if it’s a pen or if it’s money, it’s the same.
[00:27:14] It’s stealing old people were as firm as you are about this matter because some people find it okay. To even take money from their companies. Anyway, let’s wrap it up. But before we do that, tell me about a couple of things that you really find is wrong. You know, I mean, we talked about those few things, but do you think about other things that are really wrong?
[00:27:35] They’re really bad things to do when you work in companies. Yeah. I mean, of course there are a lot of things that are wrong that you wouldn’t want to do when you work in a company. But I can think of like cheating on expenses or an expense account. So you can take extra money from purchases or other things.
[00:27:52] Some people say that this is being clever, but I would say that this is stealing period. And definitely one of the wrong things is selling company secrets. And that is very serious. All right. So that will be all for today. I mean, we talked a lot about jobs. We talked about dirty jobs. We talked about how wrong things are honesty at work and other stuff we compared, some jobs we talked about, which were the easiest, most tiring, et cetera.
[00:28:17] So I hope that could stir some ideas in your mind to discuss, to think about and to discuss with your friends. And the key thing is that you discuss those things in English so that you can practice your English. You have the ideas. Now you can discuss these things. You can practice discussing these things.
[00:28:35] You can take some of the ideas we talked about in this episode, you can use some of those phrases sentences or ideas and use them in your own speaking. And of course you can come up with your own ideas because it’s discussion so we can just cover everything. All right. So with that being said, let me remind you again, that you can find a lot of extra activities and extra materials that you can use on our website, English plus podcast.com.
[00:28:59] Take the link and take your English with it to the next level. This is your host, Danny. I would like to thank you very much for listening to another episode from English plus podcast. I will see you next time.